Southward bound?

topic posted Mon, February 14, 2005 - 11:21 PM by  Megan
So, can we look forward to a day when you might be coming down here to share a venue with Plasterkatz and Crumpled Napkin?
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Megan
Sacramento
  • Re: Southward bound?

    Mon, February 14, 2005 - 11:50 PM
    Wow! This is so amazing! People I only know through legend are talking right TO me! It's like if my favorite character jumped out of a book and handed me a joint. I can't get over it.

    Oh, I'm sorry--you were asking? Oh! Well, goodness, yes--didn't Callahan tell you? We're planning to move down there. Our landlords are selling our house right the hell out from under us, and we have nowhere to go, so . . .

    You know what let's do: let's make this a thread about finding us a place we can live down in San Francisco. Or Oakland or anywhereabouts. That would really help us out. We can't wait to meet you all, and perform together, and be real-live friends. Good, then! That's the plan.

    Oh! Right, I almost forgot: we have no jobs. So it has to be someplace free. OK--so let us know if you hear about anything!
    • Re: Southward bound?

      Tue, February 15, 2005 - 11:16 AM
      It might not be very helpful, but it's something: Put an add for housing on craigslist.org and here on tribe. It's possible someone will pick it up. Craigslist is also an okay site for job searching.
      • Re: Southward bound?

        Tue, February 15, 2005 - 11:23 AM
        I might be able to get you a Job at the SF weekly Selling advertising.

        Or I know I can get you a job doing Business to business cold calling in Oakland. Shitty job but it pays well.

        Uh, free housing for the long term is harder. There's always sofa surfing.
        • Re: Southward bound?

          Tue, February 15, 2005 - 11:28 AM
          Well, Holly and I have offered to let them stay with us until something more solid comes along, and I doubt it'll be that hard to find something like a roommate situation or something like that.

          Whatever it takes, dammit! We WILL have our Toads here in our presence!
          • Re: Southward bound?

            Tue, February 15, 2005 - 3:11 PM
            Chris and Megan, when are you planning to head this way? What's the earliest? Please let us know so we can put our thinking caps on and start looking for jobs/housing! :)
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              Re: Southward bound?

              Tue, February 15, 2005 - 3:31 PM
              ask aaron.
              :-D
              • Re: Southward bound?

                Tue, February 15, 2005 - 6:29 PM
                Ask Aaron?? With a laughy face? What, is he in jail? Or does he know a great place to squat!? 'Cause we're up for that, too--especially if we can get electricity and run a computer.

                Thank you SO much, everyone who has offered suggestions. As far as jobs, I was partly lying. I started an online proofreading business in August and, so far, I'm only making about $200 a month, but if anyone knows any writers who need editing and you could send them to www.thescarletpen.com, I will definitely give 'em some. Editing, that is. (I even give free sample edits, to prove I'm badass.) My long-term plan is to make money that way--but of course I'll need a little more than $200 a month, so I just need a TEENSY few more clients.

                Megan, yes, Craiglist is great--I always have five or six ads going with them at once for my proofreading business. I've been really tempted to place an ad that says, "Seeking writer with cottage, basement, or spare bedroom for my husband and me in exchange for full-time editing." I actually did that for three years with my second husband (edited for him, that is, in exchange for . . . God only knows what I got out of that), who is now a famous, self-published author (hee hee). (Hey, check out eric.b.olsen.tripod.com/ for a picture of him: he looks EXACTLY like the Ugly Child photo! And do NOT read his samples--I did NOT edit those.)

                Anyway, Sanchez, thank you SO much for the job offers--SO kind. Cold calling scares the hell out of me and I'm a terrible seller (for example, if not for Chris and Holly we wouldn't have sold a single Lava Toad CD--ever), but I deeply appreciate the offer. And Chris and Holly, thank YOU so much. As I told one of you, we won't take you up on that until we're making enough with my proofreading business to pay our share of expenses. And it's picking up. I'll get clients. Hell--I never thought Lava Toad would get this far; you guys make me feel like ANYTHING could happen.

                Free blow jobs for everyone!!!
                • Re: Southward bound?

                  Tue, February 15, 2005 - 11:07 PM
                  "Seeking writer with cottage, basement, or spare bedroom for my husband and me in exchange for full-time editing."

                  hm, she might well be hireable too, she didn't say "my husband and I..."

                  good editors are worth their weight, you know, blow jobs notwithstanding.
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                    Re: Southward bound?

                    Wed, February 16, 2005 - 12:15 AM
                    "The Editor in the Basement"

                    Hmmmmm......
                    • Editor in the Basement

                      Wed, February 16, 2005 - 1:36 AM
                      Hee hee! Did you ever hear Joe's song "Down in my Basement"? Chris made up a perfect, James Taylor-style accompaniment for it and we were going to include it on Lava Toad but for some reason never did. I think it might be on another CD we gave Chris and Holly once, though.
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                    An Editing Aside

                    Wed, February 16, 2005 - 1:29 AM
                    Oh, thank you for noticing! I'm not one of those people who go around cringing at every misspeaking, but for some reason I hate constructions like "between you and I." I would so much rather hear "Me and him are gonna get baked" than "Just don't blow any smoke on Tony and I." The I-as-object syndrome is something that Theodore Bernstein (in The Careful Writer) refers to as over-refinement; I think that's what I hate about it.

                    Sorry. That's all I have to say.
                    • Re: An Editing Aside

                      Wed, February 16, 2005 - 6:13 PM
                      i have a significant appreciation for the logic behind english grammar, but i'm afraid it's an acquired taste. too many exceptional rules and way too many homonyms.

                      favorite stumbling blocks include:
                      your, you're, yore
                      they're, their, there
                      to, too, two
                      lose, loose
                      its, it's (what is it about contractions that is sooo mystifying??)

                      and i bet that's NOT all you have to say, sugar baby!
                      • Re: An Editing Aside

                        Wed, February 16, 2005 - 9:21 PM
                        Yeah, mistakes with you're/your, there/they're/their, and contractions make me twitch a little, which is why I found the following so amusing!

                        www.angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif
                        • Re: An Editing Aside

                          Wed, February 16, 2005 - 10:02 PM
                          funny, megan!!

                          apostrophe abuse...makes me think also of how people refer to the 50's. or the 1900's.

                          but what REALLY gets me is the 50%-use rule. Once half the population bastardizes a word, the literate half have to bow down.

                          That's how "enormity" changed from "extreme wickedness" to "enormousness".

                          Meh.



                          • Apostrophe Abuse

                            Thu, February 17, 2005 - 1:10 AM
                            This thread system is unlike that of any other discussion forum I've seen. It's confusing when things get out of chronological order, but worth it that you can reply to a post right beneath it instead of at the very end.

                            OK, you guys are already over the coolness of that, so I'll move right along. Yes, I much prefer 1900s to 1900's, and was disappointed to see in at least one usage guide that 1900's was ALSO acceptable. I was already disappointed enough that you have to say "Straight A's," even though "A" is not possessive, just so it won't look like the word "as." But with numbers, that confusion can't arise, so why waste time and eyesight on an apostrophe?

                            I also have something to say about "enormity." I wrote this online writing guide for--well, I hate to plug myself when this ENTIRE TRIBE is all about plugging me already (and I'm still not over that--WHOA)--but, anyway, I wrote it for my proofreading web site, www.thescarletpen.com. It's a 66-page downloadable style and usage guide, with sample sentences for certain words, and here's what I said about that one:

                            enormity vs. enormousness
                            Though dictionaries allow for the use of "enormity" to indicate size, usage guides direct that it be reserved for "outrageousness" or "atrociousness." For size, use enormousness or immensity:

                            Orwell found himself thinking that the enormity of shooting the elephant was magnified by the enormousness of the beast.


                            And, since I'm already talking about it, I'll add this other bit from my usage guide, as proof to Sanchez that no GOOD editor cares about the following:

                            Starting a Sentence with "And" or "But"
                            Sometimes a sentence has gone on long enough--you've made several points, and perhaps inserted a parenthetical phrase or two--and you just have to end it. But that doesn't mean you're done with the subject. It's appropriate, in these cases, to begin the next sentence with "And" or "But." All usage guides seem to agree that, especially in formal writing, the practice should not be overdone. But that could be said of any stylistic technique.
                            • Re: Apostrophe Abuse

                              Thu, February 17, 2005 - 6:28 PM
                              " But that doesn't mean you're done with the subject. "

                              I think it's supposed to be "finished with the subject."

                              *poke*
                            • Re: Apostrophe Abuse

                              Thu, February 17, 2005 - 6:31 PM
                              "It's confusing when things get out of chronological order, but worth it that you can reply to a post right beneath it instead of at the very end."

                              Two tips!

                              threaded/unthreaded/NEWEST FIRST = handy in a monster thread.

                              and

                              you can't always reply to a post right beneath it--sometimes your rejoinder does come at the very end in spite of your best effort, which is why you insert the quote you are spinning off of, just in case.

                              you'll get the hang of it.
                              • Responding to the Right Goddamn Post!!!

                                Thu, February 17, 2005 - 8:42 PM
                                God DAMN, I'm getting confused--and, Jessica, you're so right that you can't always reply to a post immediately below it. That last one I made was supposed to go RIGHT after Callahan's thing where he damned us all to hell (hee hee--that's still making me smile), but instead it's way at the end, and now either no one will know what the fuck I was talking about or they'll think I'm really damn slow. I tried clicking "unthreaded" (or "threaded," or whichever one wasn't already clicked), but that made it worse. I AM SO LAME!!!!!!!
                      • Re: An Editing Aside

                        Wed, February 16, 2005 - 9:40 PM
                        Ah, Jessica, you know me too well--and we've only been corresponding a few days. (Yeah, me and Jessica--we go way back.)

                        I'll tell you what's mystifying about "it's" and "its" (which, I have to admit, is another thing that stands out to me--but, REALLY, hardly anything else bothers me in casual writing). It's that most possessives are formed with apostrophes: you would write "the cat's," so why not "it's"? That's understandably confusing. But it helps to remember that the possessive "its" is like "his" and "her"; you don't write "hi's" or "he'r" (or "her's").

                        I kind of like all the crazy exceptions, and knowing that English is one of the hardest alphabetic languages to learn, because that reminds me of exciting things like the Norman Conquest of 1066 and the crazy vowel shift, and the fact that ours was one of the latest languages to be standardized, explaining why Elizabethan geniuses look (on paper) just like children--because they had to make up so many of their own spellings. My Chris just told me that our first dictionary was written in 1604 ("A Table Alphabeticall: of Hard Vsuall English Wordes, for Ladies . . . or Any Other Unskilful Persons"). But our first GOOD dictionary (as opposed to a mere list of power words) wasn't published until 1755, and by then there were so many different ways to spell each sound that Dr. Johnson just had to pick the most common spellings of each word, even though that meant sometimes spelling "f" sounds with an "f," sometimes a "ph," sometimes a "gh." I think these inconsistencies are kind of cute. Our language is frustrating, but cute. As all you "faire" people surely agree.

                        Okay, NOW I will stop--though, yes, Jessica, yore sew write--I could go on forever.
                        • Re: An Editing Aside

                          Wed, February 16, 2005 - 9:49 PM
                          Your all to Critical of people's Writting's. And you probably have problem's with starting a sentance with the word "and". And, I, bet, it, really, bothers, all, of, you, when, someone, uses, commas, all, the, time, right?

                          Their you go; just try to edit that!

                          :-)
                          • Re: An Editing Aside

                            Wed, February 16, 2005 - 9:57 PM
                            *kick*
                            • Re: An Editing Aside

                              Wed, February 16, 2005 - 10:13 PM
                              Sorry, Megan and Chris--I wasn't ignoring your posts. The thing is, you got yours in while I was reading and rereading and rereading and rereading mine to make sure it didn't have any mistakes before I submitted it, so I didn't even know you guys had posted. (Though I'm not very bothered by other people's mistakes, I'm terrified of making them myself.) But, Sanchez, what do you mean by all too critical? What the hell's critical about admitting that there are "too many exceptional rules" (as Jessica said) or that it's vs. its is "understandably confusing"? And, no, I CAN'T take a joke. (Get it? I started that sentence with "and." To prove that that doesn't bother me. And that I CAN take a joke. And that my favorite thing in the world is deliberately incomplete sentences.)

                              But thanks for kicking him anyway, Callahan. Even if he WAS joking, I'm sure it will do him good.
                          • Re: An Editing Aside

                            Thu, February 17, 2005 - 6:50 AM
                            Re: You're/Your

                            My favorite example of the you're/your misuse was on a tomb stone. Fortunately no one I knew, but it said something about devoted father, loving husband... bla bla bla, ending with, "Your always in our hearts." Someone actually carved that in stone. Yeah, I know.
                        • Re: An Editing Aside

                          Wed, February 16, 2005 - 10:16 PM
                          its/it's

                          This came up a lot when I was grading papers. I explained it thus:

                          "It is" and "its" had a duel over an apostrophe. "It is" lost an i and got the patch and "its" just got itself.

                          I got a lot of laughs as a dorky student teacher.
                          • Re: An Editing Aside

                            Wed, February 16, 2005 - 10:32 PM
                            You're my hero.
                            • Re: An Editing Aside

                              Wed, February 16, 2005 - 10:36 PM
                              *dorky laugh*
                              • Eye Patch

                                Thu, February 17, 2005 - 2:15 AM
                                Wow! I LOVE that little mnemonic! What or who did you teach? Wait--I mean WHOM. (It's OK, guys--Jessica has this thing about "whom." I only corrected that for her benefit. But, as she points out herself, at least she doesn't still use two spaces after a period {like that Callahan guy}).
                                • I meant, "{like that Callahan guy}.)" CRAP! That's the ONE mistake I hate MOST--punctuation on the wrong side of a parenthesis!!! AAAGH! Don't LOOK at me--I'm HIDEOUS!!!!

                                  Now is a good time to ask you guys this: is there any way to delete a post in which you have made an unforgivable error (unforgivable, that is, in anyone posing as an editor)? I've tried everything short of writing to the moderators and I CAN'T DO IT! AAAAAAAGH!

                                  And, yes, Chris and Jessica, you are now free to mock me unmercifully.
                                • Re: Eye Patch

                                  Thu, February 17, 2005 - 8:13 AM
                                  Hey, I stopped using two spaces after periods a while ago!

                                  (Oh, shit, now you have me overthinking 'a while/awhile'